{"id":7554,"date":"2015-11-25T09:16:58","date_gmt":"2015-11-25T08:16:58","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.szczebrzeszyn.info\/aktualnosci\/?p=7554"},"modified":"2015-11-25T09:24:27","modified_gmt":"2015-11-25T08:24:27","slug":"be-proud-of-your-city-ancestors-and-dr-zygmunt-klukowski","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.szczebrzeszyn.info\/aktualnosci\/?p=7554","title":{"rendered":"Be proud of your city, ancestors, and dr Zygmunt Klukowski"},"content":{"rendered":"
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Andrew Klukowski, wnuk doktora Zygmunta Klukowskiego.<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n

W zwi\u0105zku z 56. rocznic\u0105 \u015bmierci dra Zygmunta Klukowskiego, kt\u00f3ra min\u0119\u0142a 23 listopada, publikujemy (w wersji angielskiej i polskiej) wywiad z wnukiem doktora – Andrew Klukowskim (obecnie mieszka w USA). Przeprowadzi\u0142 go Dariusz G\u00f3rny.<\/p>\n

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Dariusz G\u00f3rny:<\/strong>
\nWho was Zygmunt Klukowski for you and your family?<\/strong><\/p>\n

Andrew Klukowski (wnuk dra Zygmunta Klukowskiego):<\/strong>
\n-Zygmunt Klukowski was, and is, a hero to our family. His example of acting morally in the face of danger cannot be matched. My father taught me about him. I have taught my children. His relentless writing was meant to make sure the Nazis that caused so much destruction in Poland would get there just due.<\/p>\n

Which of Zygmunt Klukowski’s books you value the most and why?<\/strong><\/p>\n

-All of his books are important to me. But, to choose one, it would have to be the diary of the Russian occupation. The reasons are very personal. In 1991, my father mother and I journeyed to Poland to try and locate these diaries. It took over a month, but we found them. My father was so proud. And then tragedy struck. We were in the bell tower of Wawel Cathedral in Krakow. My father suffered a heart attack and died four days later. For me, the publication of the diaries was a testament to his never ending search for his father’s writings.<\/p>\n

Which part of Polish culture and history is the closest to you (from American point of view) and why?<\/strong><\/p>\n

-I have always loved Polish history. The Sienkiewicz novels, With fire and Sword, and the following trilogy are exciting glimpses of polish heroism. However The Russian Revolution, Civil War, War with Russia, WWII, and the Russian occupation are also periods that I have studied because of my grandfather’s involvement.<\/p>\n

What do you think should be done to honor the memory of Zygmunt Klukowski in the best way?<\/strong><\/p>\n

-I think his story has been well told in Poland, especially in the East. I also think that what Dariusz G\u00f3rny is doing to honor him by creating a special museum will help rekindle interest in this remarkable man.<\/p>\n

Will you visit Szczebrzeszyn some day? What would you like to tell to the residents of your grandfather’ Zygmunt Klukowski’s city?<\/strong><\/p>\n

– I last visited in 1991. I would like to come again soon. If the museum becomes a reality, I would be sure to visit, along with my sister Helen. To the people of Szczebrzeszyn, I would like to say that they are part of the history written down by my grandfather. Their ancestors braved both the Nazi and Soviet oppression. They should be proud of their city, ancestors, and Dr Zygmunt Klukowski.<\/p>\n

Thank you very much<\/strong><\/p>\n

Information about Andrew Klukowski<\/strong>
\nAndrew Klukowski<\/strong> is the grandson of Dr. Zygmunt Klukowski (doctor and director of St. Catherine hospital in Szczebrzeszyn, historian of Zamojszczyzna, bibliophile, author of \u201cDiaries”). Andrew in 1991 together with his father George (son of Dr. Zygmunt Klukowski) and his mother came to Poland. During their stay they visited among others Lublin, Szczebrzeszyn and Cracow. The Klukowski family came to the doctor’s native country to find „Diaries” from the period after World War II. After a month of searches the lady contacted with the family and gave them the goal pof their trip – Dr. Z. Klukowski’s „Diaries”.
\nAfter George’s sudden death in Poland, Andrew and his sister wanted to honour and continue their father searching. Andrew together with her sister Helen fulfilled unwritten will of their father George, in the memory of the Doctor they released in the USA the following books: Diary from the Years of Occupation from 1939 to 1944, the Red Shadow: A Physician’s Memoir of the Soviet Occupation of Eastern Poland, 1944- 1956 (written on the basis of Dr. Zygmunt Klukowski „Diaries” ) and published their family saga (Dangerous Journey to Freedom) with a determination to live a dignified life in a free country, which for George and his wife Wanda (nee Juszkiewicz) has been the United States of America.
\nAndrew Klukowski educated in Sierra College, California State University (Sacramento) and Webster University (St. Louis). For many years he worked as a university lecturer at Webster University Thailand of Social Science, teaching ESL English Grammar, English and American Literature, and English writing. He lives in Folsom (California).
\nB\u0105d\u017acie dumni ze swojego miasta, przodk\u00f3w, i dra Zygmunta Klukowskiego<\/strong><\/p>\n

Dariusz G\u00f3rny:<\/strong>
\n Kim jest dla pana i pana rodziny Zygmunt Klukowski?<\/strong><\/p>\n

Andrew Klukowski (wnuk dra Zygmunta Klukowskiego):
\n-Zygmunt Klukowski by\u0142 i jest bohaterem naszej rodziny. Jego wz\u00f3r moralnego zachowania, w obliczu niebezpiecze\u0144stwa, jest niedo\u015bcigniony. M\u00f3j ojciec opowiada\u0142 mi histori\u0119 jego \u017cycia, uczy\u0142 mnie jej. Ja tak samo przekazywa\u0142em j\u0105 moim dzieciom. Jego nieustaj\u0105ce (mimo zagro\u017cenia, D.G. ) pisanie dawa\u0142o mu gwarancj\u0119, \u017ce nazi\u015bci, kt\u00f3rzy spowodowali tak wiele zniszcze\u0144 w Polsce, dostan\u0105 to, co im si\u0119 nale\u017cy.<\/p>\n

Kt\u00f3ra ksi\u0105\u017cka Zygmunta Klukowskiego jest dla pana najwa\u017cniejsza i dlaczego?<\/strong>
\n-Wszystkie jego ksi\u0105\u017cki s\u0105 dla mnie wa\u017cne. Gdybym mia\u0142 wybra\u0107 jedn\u0105, by\u0142yby to \u201eDzienniki\u201d z okresu sowieckiej okupacji. Powody s\u0105 bardzo osobiste. W 1991r. moi rodzice i ja zorganizowali\u015bmy wyjazd do Polski, aby je odnale\u017a\u0107. Zaj\u0119\u0142o to nam ponad miesi\u0105c, ale je odnale\u017ali\u015bmy. M\u00f3j tato by\u0142 taki dumny. I wtedy sta\u0142a si\u0119 tragedia. Byli\u015bmy na Wie\u017cy Zygmuntowskiej na Wawelu. M\u00f3j ojciec dozna\u0142 zawa\u0142u serca i zmar\u0142 4 dni p\u00f3\u017aniej. Dla mnie, publikacja tych wspomnie\u0144 by\u0142a zwie\u0144czeniem nieustannych poszukiwa\u0144 opowie\u015bci jego ojca (dra Z. Klukowskiego).
\nJaki okres polskiej kultury, z ameryka\u0144skiego punktu widzenia, jest panu najbli\u017cszy i dlaczego?<\/strong>
\n-Zawsze kocha\u0142em polsk\u0105 histori\u0119. Powie\u015bci Sienkiewicza, \u201eOgniem i mieczem\u201d i kolejne cz\u0119\u015bci \u201eTrylogii\u201d- to ekscytuj\u0105ce przeb\u0142yski polskiego heroizmu. Jednak rewolucja rosyjska, wojna domowa, wojna z Rosj\u0105 (wojna polsko-bolszewicka, D.G.), II wojna \u015bwiatowa i okupacja sowiecka- to okresy, kt\u00f3re studiowa\u0142em z powodu zaanga\u017cowania mojego dziadka.
\nW jaki spos\u00f3b, pana zdaniem, mo\u017cna najlepiej uczci\u0107 pami\u0119\u0107 o dr. Zygmuncie Klukowskim?<\/strong>
\n-My\u015bl\u0119, \u017ce historia jego \u017cycia jest dobrze znana w Polsce, szczeg\u00f3lnie we wschodniej jej cz\u0119\u015bci. My\u015bl\u0119 te\u017c, \u017ce to co robi Dariusz G\u00f3rny, aby uczci\u0107 go (dra Zygmunta Klukowskiego) poprzez utworzenie muzeum, pomo\u017ce rozbudzi\u0107 zainteresowanie tym niezwyk\u0142ym cz\u0142owiekiem.<\/p>\n

Czy zamierza pan jeszcze odwiedzi\u0107 Szczebrzeszyn? Co chcia\u0142by pan powiedzie\u0107 mieszka\u0144com miasta pana dziadka dra Zygmunta Klukowskiego?<\/strong>
\n– Ostatnim razem by\u0142em w 1991 r. Chcia\u0142bym wkr\u00f3tce zn\u00f3w przyjecha\u0107. Je\u015bli powstanie muzeum, na pewno przyjad\u0119 wraz z moj\u0105 siostr\u0105 Helen. Mieszka\u0144com Szczebrzeszyna chcia\u0142bym powiedzie\u0107, \u017ce s\u0105 oni cz\u0119\u015bci\u0105 historii spisanej przez mojego dziadka. Ich przodkowie dzielnie bronili si\u0119 przed zar\u00f3wno nazistowsk\u0105, jak i sowieck\u0105 okupacj\u0105. Powinni by\u0107 dumni ze swojego miasta, przodk\u00f3w, i dra Zygmunta Klukowskiego.
\nDzi\u0119kuj\u0119 bardzo<\/strong><\/p>\n

Andrew Klukowski<\/strong> to wnuk dra Zygmunta Klukowskiego (lekarz i dyrektor szpitala w Szczebrzeszynie, historyk Zamojszczyzny, bibliofil, autor \u201eDziennik\u00f3w\u201d). Andrew Klukowski w 1991r. razem z ojcem Jerzym (syn dra Zygmunta Klukowskiego) i matk\u0105 przyjecha\u0142 do Polski. W czasie pobytu w Polsce odwiedzili, m.in. Lublin, Szczebrzeszyn, Krak\u00f3w. Rodzina Klukowskich przyjecha\u0142a do rodzinnego kraju, aby odnale\u017a\u0107 \u201eDzienniki\u201d doktora z okresu po II wojnie \u015bwiatowej. Po miesi\u0105cu z rodzin\u0105 Klukowskich skontaktowa\u0142a si\u0119 pani, kt\u00f3ra przekaza\u0142a im cel poszukiwa\u0144- \u201eDzienniki\u201d dra Z. Klukowskiego. W Krakowie w czasie wschodzenia na Wie\u017c\u0119 Zygmuntowsk\u0105 na Wawelu Jerzy Klukowski dozna\u0142 zawa\u0142u serca i po czterech dniach zmar\u0142.
\nAndrew razem z siostr\u0105 Helen wype\u0142nili nie pisany testament, pami\u0119ci o doktorze, swojego ojca Jerzego w wydali w USA nast\u0119puj\u0105ce ksi\u0105\u017cki: Diary from the Years of Occupation 1939-44, Red Shadow: A Physician’s Memoir of the Soviet Occupation of Eastern Poland, 1944-1956 (napisane na podstawie \u201eDziennik\u00f3w\u201d dra Zygmunta Klukowskiego) oraz opublikowali rodzinn\u0105 sag\u0119 ( Dangerous Journey to Freedom) o determinacji w d\u0105\u017ceniu do godnego \u017cycia w wolnym kraju, jakimi dla Jerzego i jego \u017cony Wandy ( z domu Juszkiewicz) okaza\u0142y si\u0119 Stany Zjednoczone.
\nAndrew Klukowski kszta\u0142ci\u0142 si\u0119, m.in. w Sierra College, California State University (Sacramento), Webster University (St. Louis). Przez wiele lat pracowa\u0142 jako nauczyciel akademicki wyk\u0142adaj\u0105c na Webster University Thailand socjologi\u0119, j\u0119zyk angielski i ameryka\u0144ski oraz literatur\u0119 tych kraj\u00f3w. Mieszka w Folsom (Kalifornia).<\/p>\n

Wywiad przeprowadzi\u0142 i notatk\u0119 sporz\u0105dzi\u0142 Dariusz G\u00f3rny, kt\u00f3ry jednocze\u015bnie dzi\u0119kuje mgr Magdalenie Skwarze za konsultacj\u0119 j\u0119zykow\u0105 (angielsko-polsk\u0105).<\/p>\n

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W zwi\u0105zku z 56. rocznic\u0105 \u015bmierci dra Zygmunta Klukowskiego, kt\u00f3ra min\u0119\u0142a 23 listopada, publikujemy (w wersji angielskiej i polskiej) wywiad z wnukiem doktora – Andrew Klukowskim (obecnie mieszka w USA). Przeprowadzi\u0142 go Dariusz G\u00f3rny.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[3,378],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-7554","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-historia","category-wywiady"],"views":4125,"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.szczebrzeszyn.info\/aktualnosci\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/7554","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.szczebrzeszyn.info\/aktualnosci\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.szczebrzeszyn.info\/aktualnosci\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.szczebrzeszyn.info\/aktualnosci\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/users\/1"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.szczebrzeszyn.info\/aktualnosci\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fcomments&post=7554"}],"version-history":[{"count":6,"href":"https:\/\/www.szczebrzeszyn.info\/aktualnosci\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/7554\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":7561,"href":"https:\/\/www.szczebrzeszyn.info\/aktualnosci\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/7554\/revisions\/7561"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.szczebrzeszyn.info\/aktualnosci\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fmedia&parent=7554"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.szczebrzeszyn.info\/aktualnosci\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fcategories&post=7554"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.szczebrzeszyn.info\/aktualnosci\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Ftags&post=7554"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}